Deceptions Even the Most Discerning Christian Moms Battle with Sylvia Zuiderveen: Part 3
You love the Word. You're at church every week. Still, there are a lot of messages to sort through... and many seem to make sense. If you need a little clarity to stay the course in your Christian parenting when the culture is making it hard to discern truth, we hope this interview brings clarity and peace. Biblical motherhood may not be easy, but it promises blessings if we look to Him above all else. Let's raise children who find Jesus as their first love, not just children who know all the Bible stories.
Scriptures Referenced:
Psalm 16:11
Proverbs 15:1
2 Timothy 4:3
Romans 7
Psalm 100:4
Acts 17:11
Transcript
They're the joyful agains our children shout on the swings, the
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:exhausting agains of cooking and laundry,
and the difficult agains of discipline.
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:So much of what we do
as mothers is on repeat.
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:So what if we woke up with clarity,
knowing which agains we were called
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:to, and went to bed believing we
are faithful in what matters most?
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:We believe God's Word is
the key to untangle from the
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:confusion and overwhelm we feel.
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:Let's look up together to embrace a
motherhood full of freedom and joy.
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:Welcome to the again,
podcast I'm Stephanie Hickox.
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:And this is brought to you
by entrusted ministries.
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:We're here to help you untangle
biblical motherhood . We want you to
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:live motherhood with freedom and joy.
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:And not feel like it
has to be so difficult.
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:we hope that this series is helping
you clarify what God's word is
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:calling you to, and that it's speaking
louder than the culture around you.
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:There are so many mixed messages.
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:And confusing.
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:And often convincing.
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:Theories.
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:But we want you to know
that you're not alone.
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:And encourage you to stay the course.
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:Believing in the promises of God's word.
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:Remaining faithful.
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:And the calling that he set before you.
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:We're going to get a little bit
more controversial in this episode.
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:I'm going to ask Sylvia some
more difficult questions.
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:And we're going to come back to
these and future episodes because
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:we want to make sure that we're
laying a biblical framework for
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:the opinions we lay before you.
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:We are grateful for Sylvia's continued
a fire and her devotion to scripture.
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:We pray.
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:She lights a fire in you for.
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:The word of God.
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:If you've been enjoying the again
podcast, and he believed that
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:it's helping you set your eyes.
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:Above and not at the world
around you and your parenting.
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:Would you consider leaving a review?
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:This really helps others.
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:Who are seeking wisdom on
biblical parenting to find us.
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:And we would be so grateful if
you would help spread the word.
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:So please write a review and
share this episode with a friend.
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:That needs to be encouraged
that she's on the right track.
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:Thanks for your help.
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:Stephanie: Okay, Sylvia, you've been
knocking it out of the park so far.
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:And I'm going to have to give
you some harder questions now.
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:This is a question that I've
pondered for a couple of
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:years and I just love to hear.
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:Other people's answers.
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:If you could give.
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:A job description for biblical motherhood.
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:How would you define it?
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:Sylvia: well, First I would say it's Psalm
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:Biblical motherhood starts with
us enjoying and delighting in God.
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:It starts with us living
fully surrendered to Him.
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:Biblical motherhood is saying, I can
do nothing else than parent my children
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:on the authority of the Bible because
it's so radically changed and formed
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:me that I have nothing else to offer
them of I'll gladly obey what God tells
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:me to do because I've seen the word
of God too powerfully in my own life.
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:So Psalm 16:11 is the starting place.
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:But I think biblical motherhood
is living authentically.
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:Beautifully committed and surrendered to
God before your children because that will
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:impact the Word of God in teaching it.
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:I can't fathom teaching my children
something that doesn't stem from the Bible
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:because I have no wisdom apart from God.
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:God is a wisdom.
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:He's all wise.
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:So not only will I teach it that way,
but I will also verbally say that
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:biblical motherhood is giving glory
to God Non stop, because we don't know
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:how to give glory to anything else.
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:So it's got to start with that full
surrender of desiring God, obeying him,
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:finding terrific joy in that, and then
proclaiming his excellencies, right?
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:Like 1 Peter tells us, proclaim the
excellencies of him who called you out
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:of darkness and into his glorious light.
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:And you're like how does that relate
to potty training a two year old?
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:Listen, everything in the Bible
relates to all ages and stages of
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:our children, because listen, as
we're training them, sometimes I'm
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:the one that needs that reminder.
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:Sylvia, proclaim the excellencies
of him that your child is a gift.
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:Every good gift is from God,
and he's trusted you with these
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:children, so go magnify his name.
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:You have greater purpose in this potty
training moment than getting children
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:to understand the use of toilet paper.
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:Your purpose is, I train you so that you
can become the most amazing person to
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:serve the Lord, your God, with all of
your heart, soul, mind, and strength.
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:That's my end goal.
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:That's biblical motherhood.
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:It's also then being so engrossed in his
word that it naturally comes out of you.
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:I think so often in this quest and
zeal that we talked about earlier
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:with what I see as one of the greatest
joys in young moms is this quest and
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:zeal to raise children on the Bible.
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:We have to understand that.
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:In the natural, everyday, mundane, casual
moments of life, the natural overflow
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:of it is often more taught and caught
than the, let's all sit down and we're
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:going to read this passage of scripture.
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:Because children are antsy and
they're squiggly and they're
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:wiggly and that's basically it.
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:Beautiful.
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:And that's how God's designed them.
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:But what if we did hopscotch outside
while we recited a Bible verse?
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:Or what if we, created a song
with our, tambourine and all other
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:children's musical instruments that
are delightfully loud and zany.
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:But what if we made a song
for the Lord during that?
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:So I think it's getting creative to exalt
God in all things, because once children,
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:Taste and see that the Lord is good.
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:They don't have an
appetite for anything else.
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:It's just putting him before all things,
putting him in front of all things,
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:proclaiming his excellency, allowing
them into your journey with the Lord and
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:his beauty in being faithful, his beauty
in being forgiving, his beauty in being
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:steadfast versus our heart that is not.
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:And drawing them to Him
relentlessly and passionately.
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:And I will say with Biblical
motherhood, sorry, if you could give
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:a definition, why sure, I'd love
to give you eight minutes of one,
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:Stephanie: I'm soaking it all in.
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:I love it.
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:Sylvia: I think the other thing
with that is Biblical moms.
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:Know that the end is
victory in Jesus Christ.
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:We know this life is a mist.
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:We know that the difficulties are coming.
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:We know that God is faithful.
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:We know that we don't have it
in ourselves and we rely on Him.
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:And that's what sustains us.
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:Will we get tired sometimes?
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:We will.
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:But biblical moms say, I either do or
don't believe that God is all powerful.
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:And I do.
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:I can walk in His power.
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:The same power that raised
Christ from the dead is in me by
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:His power and by His strength.
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:And so it's turning to Him for
that rather than turning to myself.
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:It's turning to Him rather
than going to Google.
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:It's turning to Him rather than.
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:Spinning on thoughts that just aren't
helpful and instead taking those
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:thoughts captive and putting them
against the truth of God's word.
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:So biblical motherhood, it's ongoing.
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:There is no off day and
praise God there's not.
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:We don't want to walk
away from this calling.
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:It's a high calling.
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:It's a privilege and it's
one that requires tenacity,
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:but it's a joyful tenacity.
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:Doing hard things always brings great joy.
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:Stephanie: Amen.
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:Oh, I absolutely agree
that when our kids see us.
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:Entering his courts with Thanksgiving
and his gates with praise that that
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:is completely contagious and it
becomes so natural for them when
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:we've built that habit, that we have
the eyes to see the goodness of God.
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:All around us and then they.
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:Follow suit in that it is so exciting
to see and then I think we're so
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:blessed by that pursuit of holiness too.
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:As they're pointing our kids
to him, we're being refined.
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:And I noticed in my own life, wow.
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:I have never been more faithful.
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:Then when I have had to feed little
ones all day, every day, when I've had
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:to Nurse them or pick up after them.
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:It's amazing how my
character has been refined.
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:As I'm being faithful to my children.
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:Sylvia: And it's a
parenting that's so free.
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:I think that's the gift that we give
our children as biblical moms is they
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:know at the end of the day, not when
they're two, not when they're three,
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:Stephanie: Yeah.
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:Sylvia: that's when we're just,
we're staying steadfast, putting
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:our nose to the grindstone and doing
what the Bible calls us to, like
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:they're going to learn to obey.
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:We're just going to start there.
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:But obedience we know brings blessing and
obedience brings freedom and as they begin
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:to experience some of the freedom that
comes from a full surrender to him and to
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:his word and to his ways, like they begin
to understand why mom and dad are free.
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:And so that's why with Entrusted's
curriculum that I think is so
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:important is it starts with God.
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:It starts with the Bible, it starts
with our personal walk with Him.
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:Because if we aren't walking in the
freedom of confessed sin, if we aren't
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:walking in the freedom of a mind saturated
with Scripture, if we aren't walking
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:in the freedom of right relationships
with every single person we are
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:encountering, because we know that it's
false worship to have a bad relationship
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:with someone and b e seeking God.
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:Like we're to handle that.
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:We're to solve it.
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:We're to seek peace.
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:And as far as it depends on
us, be at peace with everyone.
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:That's the freedom that
our kids will begin to see.
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:And as they continue to get
older, they're going to taste
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:little bits of that freedom.
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:They too desire a life free from the
anxieties and the cares of the world,
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:the frets of the world, the heaviness of
the world, the depravity of the world,
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:and pray for spiritual eyes for your
children to see that more and more with
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:every passing day, because that speaks
the volumes as to why would I want to
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:continue on in the faith of my parents?
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:Why wouldn't I?
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:It's freedom.
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:It's joy.
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:It's strength.
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:It's victory.
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:It's hard times with stability and peace.
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:It's knowing you have a shelter
to run to in the time of storm
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:and resting confidently in
the security of that shelter.
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:That's an abundant life, now and forever,
that's too contagious for them to say,
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:Yeah, I think I'll pass on that as I age.
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:We can't ask them to follow on and a
faith that we ourselves are not modeling.
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:That's so true.
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:We can't just teach them Bible passages.
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:And expect that they have.
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:Found their first love and Jesus Christ.
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:We absolutely need to model
that for our children.
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:Sylvia.
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:May I ask you what your thoughts
are when you think about the
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:gentle parenting movement?
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:It's becoming increasingly
prevalent in culture, but
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:even within the church stores.
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:So what do you think that
scripture has to say?
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:About gentle parenting.
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:Sylvia: I think, again, we go,
first and foremost, back to the
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:authority of the Word of God.
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:Method never trumps God's Word.
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:Whatever you read from people, whatever
trend is coming up in parenting,
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:this is nothing new under the sun.
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:The book of Ecclesiastes has told
us nothing's new under the sun.
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:And here we go.
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:Here's another wave of what
Colossians talks about human wisdom.
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:First of all, it does not set
you up as a parent to be the
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:authority over your child.
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:The bigger problem in that is that's
a misunderstanding of authority.
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:When gentle parenting, oh, you don't
want to be this authoritative figure.
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:Then we've misunderstood that
authority was designed by God for good.
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:If we've read the book of Judges,
we know, my word, authority matters.
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:We on our own will seek sinful ways.
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:Why?
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:Because our heart is
deceitful above all things.
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:Our children's hearts are
deceitful above all things.
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:All of us, every single human being
walking on the planet has been born with
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:a sin nature that seeks sinful things.
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:It's deceitful above all things.
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:That's the problem.
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:The good news is we have the
solution in Jesus Christ who can
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:transform our hearts and minds.
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:That being said, if we don't
understand the beauty of authority.
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:We won't sit under the
authority of God's Word.
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:As wives, we won't sit under
the authority of our husbands.
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:As church members, we won't sit
under the authority of our church.
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:Authority is a good thing.
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:So first of all, we have to look at
that when basically gentle parenting
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:saying, let your child do this.
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:You don't want to say
anything too harshly.
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:You don't want to of course
we wouldn't speak harshly.
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:The Bible says, A harsh word stirs up
anger, but a soft answer turns away wrath.
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:So we already would resign
ourselves to that because we're
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:biblical women and we're women
that want to parent on the Bible.
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:Of course, we're not
going to speak harshly.
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:That being said, if we think that
we can't speak to truth, then
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:we have aligned ourselves with
a worldview that's unbiblical.
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:We must train a biblical worldview
in our children that includes we have
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:standards and they aren't set up by us.
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:They are set up by God
who is our authority.
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:So if we don't teach our children
from a very young age that
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:they are under authority and
that authority is a beautiful.
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:Good thing we have set them up
to fail, because they will have
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:authority everywhere in their lives.
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:And can you imagine their poor boss
someday, if they haven't learned to
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:understand that authority is a good thing,
they might not have that job for too long.
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:How's it going to go in school
with a teacher if they can't submit
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:to the authority of someone else?
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:Anyone, man, woman, we are to submit
to God, we're to submit to authorities.
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:Submission in the Bible is
not a call to be shackled.
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:It's a call to freedom, order, and peace.
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:And gentle parenting, the biggest
problem I see with it is that
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:bucking of establishing yourself as
a position of authority for fear that
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:your children won't listen to you.
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:There again, as biblical
people, we don't walk in fear.
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:Fear has no place in a believer's
life because we are confident, because
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:we are standing on the inerrant,
perfect, sufficient Word of God.
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:So the authority issue with gentle
pairing is absolutely wrong.
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:The fear factor behind it, I
can't parent wondering what
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:my child's response will be.
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:We just talked about that.
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:I parent because I want to
glorify God and obey him.
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:These are his kids that he has entrusted
to me for 18 years under my home.
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:And then after that, however long the
Lord tarries or lets them have life,
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:but it's for him, it's all for him.
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:And so gentle parenting puts so
much power in the hands of children
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:and so much power in their feelings.
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:So that's the third part of it.
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:So first of all, it's the authority issue.
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:Second of all, it's that
we're parenting and fear.
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:And the third is we're parenting,
putting feelings ahead of truth.
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:And that's a huge problem
in our culture right now.
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:We have to train our children not to let
feelings be the engine of their life.
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:It's gotta be the caboose.
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:We put The truth first
and our feelings follow.
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:But right now our culture has completely
turned that upside down where, oh my
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:goodness, their feelings are everything.
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:Listen, feelings are real,
but they're not reliable.
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:Feelings also have to be
submitted to the word of God.
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:And what a joyful thing as
parents that we get to teach our
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:children how to take our feelings.
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:And take scripture to those feelings
and allow scripture to do what it does
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:best, which is transform our mind and our
heart so that we can walk out in truth.
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:So not all feelings are bad, we
never want to categorically
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:call feelings bad or good.
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:They are feelings.
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:That's what they are.
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:What we need to do then with our
feelings is acknowledge they are real.
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:But they're not reliable.
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:everything else that comes into
our lives, we're going to say,
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:what does the Bible say about that?
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:So if my feeling is fear, I'm going
to take some Bible verses, when
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:I'm afraid I can trust in you.
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:If I trust in God's word, that means
there's authority in my life and
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:gentle parenting goes out the window.
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:That being said.
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:We do want to go back to that proverb
that says that a harsh word stirs up
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:anger and a soft answer turns away wrath.
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:Because we are biblical parents,
and because we are under the
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:strength of the powerful Holy
Spirit of God, our conduct and our
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:character needs to be of gentleness.
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:That's a biblical quality.
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:But where we have to be
looking is holistically to
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:what this movement entails.
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:It's not just being a gentle person.
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:If that were the case, good news.
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:We're already there with the Word of God,
but this is also bringing in other things.
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:And so can I add one more
thing about gentle parenting?
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:False Teachers are everywhere.
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:We're warned about them
all over in the Bible.
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:And moms, if you aren't in the Word of
God daily, soaking on it, marinating on
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:it, memorizing it, thinking on it, you
will fall prey to things like gentle
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:parenting that are just a degree off
of the truth of the word of God at
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:first glance, but you have to look at
everything and how that plays out in a
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:trajectory because one degree off of truth
over time turns into 10 degrees, turns
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:into 15 degrees, turns into 20 degrees.
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:We cannot allow our minds
to entertain something just
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:because it tickles our ears.
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:The Bible says if it's tickling
our ears, it's a false word.
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:And we need to be so cautious about that.
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:Gentle parenting.
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:You know why it sounds great?
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:Because it appeals to
all of our insecurities.
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:Can I really take a stance of authority?
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:Maybe my children are
going to hate me for it.
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:Oh, I ought to parent in fear because
what if this means then they aren't
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:going to walk with the Lord and they
aren't going to, follow His ways and
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:then they're never learn how to do this
and they're going to hate me and I'm not
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:going to look cool in front of all the
other soccer moms and, all these things.
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:They're appealing to the flesh.
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:And if something is appealing to
my flesh, rather than aligning with
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:the Word of God, I have to take that
necessary step to cut it out of my life.
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:Listen, we're too quick to read
another book when We have the Bible.
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:Why would you come to me and say, I
don't have time to be in the Bible
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:and then say, I'm wondering if you
can tell me about gentle parenting,
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:because I just read this book.
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:No.
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:Start with the Word of God.
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:If you don't have time for the
Word of God, you don't have time
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:for any other book, any other
podcast, any other blog, anything.
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:Any other, anything you get in
the Bible and things like gentle
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:parenting will be very obvious about
where they are off from the truth.
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:The problem is that if we're honest with
ourselves, again, things that appeal to
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:our flesh, this is Romans seven lived out.
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:It is more appealing at first.
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:It is in our sinful nature, in our
sinful hearts, we will go towards what
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:is easy, what tickles our ears, what's
appealing, what makes me feel like I'm
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:winning as a mom, what makes my days
easier so I can go get a pedicure.
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:That's not biblical.
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:We're called to high calling that.
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:It is hard and it is
intense, but you know what?
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:My end goal isn't a child that
thinks they're awesome and thinks
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:they're great and lives their best
life because that best life is a
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:fallacy and I have lied to my child.
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:My goal is to raise a child
that knows that without
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:question, Jesus Christ is Lord.
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:And that means every word, every action,
every thought, every attitude has to
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:be taken captive to the Word of God.
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:Sorry.
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:Stephanie: Please, I am just loving this.
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:The fruit of you spending time at
the feet of Jesus is so contagious.
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:I absolutely love
everything you're saying.
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:You're putting words to things that
I so agree with and just saying,
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:communicating them so incredibly.
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:I've loved every second of this.
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:You are a rare treasure and I praise God
that He has given you a place to speak to
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:so many women, to encourage them in the
good and right way, to make no provision
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:for the flesh, to know that God is good
and caring and He hears any sees, but that
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:His glory is so much more important than.
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:Our experience and to view Him more
accurately and not through, what
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:we're feeling and experiencing and
to teach our children to do the same.
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:I just praise God for your influence,
this opportunity, and the moms that
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:are going to hear this, the moms
that you minister to, what your
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:children are going to do after a
life of living with a mother pointing
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:them faithfully to the Word of God.
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:You're good soil, Sylvia.
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:Sylvia: Oh, you're very
well, it's him, right?
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:He's the one that took this wretch
of a sinner and said, you know what?
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:You know what?
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:There's nothing good in
you, but I am all good.
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:And His irresistible grace drew me
in, and He just keeps changing me.
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:But that's all of us.
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:That's all of our stories and can
be even more so ongoingly all of our
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:stories where we daily die to self,
daily confess our sins, daily seek Him.
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:Daily live in a place of
repentance with eyes fixed on
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:Him and hearts ready to obey.
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:That's what He does.
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:He's the master.
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:He does that so beautifully.
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:Stephanie: Yes.
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:And He provides the
opportunities for us to seek Him.
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:Have you found that in the moments
of motherhood, even in the busiest
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:seasons, where you're like, Lord,
please help me to order my days
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:so I can gain a heart of wisdom.
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:I've been meditating
on that verse as well.
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:That He just makes it happen.
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:I think that moms do need to be
honest about where our priorities are.
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:And we think that maybe a little
bit of numbing and a little bit
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:of scrolling is just what we need.
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:But really digging in and meditating on
the word of God that gives us the strength
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:to persevere actually is life giving.
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:It's joy giving.
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:that's what we need over 10
reels or a quick laugh it's
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:the joy of the Lord becoming our
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:Sylvia: strength.
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:It is.
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:And doing it with our children I think in
some of those hardest moments where I felt
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:just weary and exhausted and underslept
and overworked, and we've all been there.
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:Every single mama.
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:We've all fought.
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:As we sit crisscross applesauce at 10 a.
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:m.
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:surrounded by Little Tykes, things in
red, yellow, and green plastic everywhere,
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:we've all thought, I don't have it.
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:I don't have it.
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:And that's where we
start, because we don't.
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:But we don't live in our strength.
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:We live in the strength of the Lord.
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:And so it's taking that next right step
of obedience to say, that's not right
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:thinking, Lord, would you forgive me for
wanting to take a moment of self pity.
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:Would you forgive me for getting my
eyes on me instead of my eyes on you?
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:Would you give me one creative idea
with these sweet kids today so that
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:I can parent them for your glory?
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:Would you give me great joy in it?
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:Oftentimes in moments like that, we would
turn on a worship song and sing together
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:and dance to it or create a new song.
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:He has given us music as such a
beautiful gift and kids love it.
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:So in those moments when we're at
our weakest and we're just feeling
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:like we don't have anything left
anymore, I can't encourage you enough.
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:He puts a new song in our heart.
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:There's so many wonderful songs out
there that are Bible based, where
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:you are not only fueling your own
heart and soul, but you're fueling
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:the heart and soul of your children.
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:And just that little bit of change in
motion can often change emotion and
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:really help us to realign our hearts
and minds back on Him and His Word.
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:And so He's worth it.
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:He's worth us forsaking that fleshly Focus
that actually leads to despair, but we've
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:seen it too much in the Psalms, right?
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:When we're struggling, when we're
having a hard time, we can be
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:real to that struggle for sure.
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:But just like in all of the laments
in the Psalms, all that, there's
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:only like a couple that don't get
to the but then I considered my
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:ways and went into the sanctuary of
God, but God being rich in mercy.
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:These powerful, phrases in the Bible
like that show transforming of the
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:mind and that's imperative that we go
hard after that too, that we have those
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:moments where we can say, God, I am,
I'm weak, I'm weary, I'm exhausted.
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:I don't have anything.
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:Fine.
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:Acknowledge that, be real with
that, but get to the but You are
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:all powerful, You are merciful.
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:You tell me that if I lack wisdom
to ask it, You tell me my children
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:are a blessing from the Lord and I
am to steward them for your glory.
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:So Lord, empower me today.
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:Give me joy.
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:I'm going to walk out in that joy now.
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:I'm going to pray until
I'm actually praying.
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:Praying, right?
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:I'm going to just start doing the right
thing, whether my feelings feel it or
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:not, trusting You to bring me great
delight in that duty that I am doing to
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:follow hard after You and obey Your word.
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:And He does what He says He will do.
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:He transforms us.
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:It's beautiful.
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:Stephanie: Perhaps you've
been the same to this series.
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:Any of that?
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:Ouch.
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:I'm not quite sure.
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:I agree with that.
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:I don't know that my
convictions line up the same.
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:I'm not actually sure.
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:What I think the word of God says.
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:We would encourage you to be
like the Bereans that scripture
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:says they dug into the word and
they found out for themselves.
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:We are going to continue to speak
about some of these hard topics.
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:And we want you to keep coming back.
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:But more than anything.
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:We want you in his word sorting out.
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:What you believe that the Lord is saying.
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:He is a faithful God.
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:And his word as living an active.
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:And we trust that it will be for you.
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:Keep coming back.
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:We're going to search it out with you.
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:We know you're busy, Mama, so
we are truly grateful you joined
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:us for this episode of Again.
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:If you're looking for more information
about building your home on the
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:foundation of Jesus Christ, head to www.
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:EntrustedMinistries.
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:com to learn more about our study for
moms, Entrusted with a Child's Heart.
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:This scripture saturated study
has blessed families around the
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:world, and we want it for you, too.
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:Before you go, I want to pray
this benediction over you
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:from 2 Thessalonians 1, 11 12.
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:We're rooting for you.
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:To this end, we always pray for you,
that our God may make you worthy of His
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:calling, and may fulfill every resolve
for good and every work of faith by
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:His power, so that the name of our Lord
Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in
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:Him, according to the grace of our God.
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:And the Lord Jesus Christ.
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:Amen.
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:Until we meet again.