Deceptions Even the Most Discerning Christian Moms Battle with Sylvia Zuiderveen: Part 2
Sylvia is back bringing a vibrant perspective straight from God's Word! She speaks convicting truth in a winsome way that makes you want to take action! If you wonder if God is for you as you parent, be convinced as you listen! If you struggle to draw boundaries between sports/extracurriculars and church, you will gain a clarified perspective to move forward. If you are a Christian mom that needs to be renewed to follow the Lord in your parenting and to point your children unashamedly to Jesus, this is just for you!
Scriptures Referenced:
Psalm 30:7-9
Genesis 39
1 and 2 Peter
Psalm 84:11
2 Corinthians 1:4
Psalm 145
2 Corinthians 5:17
Philippians 1:6
Transcript
They're the joyful agains our children shout on the swings, the
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:exhausting agains of cooking and laundry,
and the difficult agains of discipline.
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:So much of what we do
as mothers is on repeat.
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:So what if we woke up with clarity,
knowing which agains we were called
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:to, and went to bed believing we
are faithful in what matters most?
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:We believe God's Word is
the key to untangle from the
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:confusion and overwhelm we feel.
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:Let's look up together to embrace a
motherhood full of freedom and joy.
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:Hello, and welcome to another
episode of the again, podcast.
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:I'm your host, Stephanie Hickox.
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:And this is brought to you
by entrusted ministries.
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:Today, we're bringing you part two of an
interview I had with Sylvia Zuiderveen.
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:She is a women's ministry
director at Coram Deo Bible
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:church, and she is phenomenal.
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:Her joy, her enthusiasm, her
uncompromising love for the Lord.
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:Our unmatched.
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:Today She is bringing more truth
that we desperately need to hear.
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:Because we are trying to swim
against the current of a culture.
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:That has so little regard.
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:For biblical principles and biblical
standards and perhaps you're thinking.
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:Amen.
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:I need more resources.
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:To help me stand up to this culture.
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:And raise my children in a way.
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:That does not bow down to the idols
that are presented on a daily basis.
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:We believe that interested
with a child's heart.
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:Is so beneficial for moms
wanting to walk with other moms.
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:As they pursue Christ.
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:For wisdom in their parenting.
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:Sitting down with a
group of moms every week.
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:To focus on the same, a biblical truths.
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:Has been a life-changing
experience for so many women.
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:We would love that for your
family, for your marriage and
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:for your walk with the Lord.
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:You can find us@entrustedministries.com.
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:Our study and trusted with the
child's heart was made just for you.
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:And now here's part two with Sylvia.
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Stephanie: Sylvia if you were to speak to another temptation, maybe not just
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:for moms, but for believers today,
what temptations are we falling into?
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:Sylvia: I think the biggest is just that
we are allowing our fleshly temptation of
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:driving first with a focus on self over
a focus on God to help us justify sin.
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:And that's a very dangerous path.
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:So we think that My life
should be comfortable.
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:My life should be easy.
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:My life should go according to plan.
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:And, Genesis debunks that immediately
in the Bible, but somehow we think that
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:our life should be different and God
should give us a life of comfort and
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:if our comfort is in any way, shape,
or form marginalized or troubled,
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:that it surely must not be God's will.
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:And I think we need to go back to the
Bible always and stand on the truth of
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:God's word and realize that sometimes
us being taken out of our comfort zone
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:is a grace of God to draw us to him and
to seek him and to seek him while we can
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:find him and to break up the fallow ground
of our heart and seek him and find him.
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:Comfort isn't a sign.
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:of blessing.
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:Comfort isn't a sign of God's, goodness
or that you're in a right place with God.
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:The world has a lot of comforts
to satisfy flesh, but we aren't
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:called to a life of comfort.
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:We're called to holiness.
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:And we're to teach the Word of
God in season and out of season.
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:And those words wouldn't be
there if we were always going
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:to be living comfortably.
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:We won't be living comfortably
because sometimes living Godly lives
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:means we're living out of season.
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:But we need to persevere.
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:We need to seek Him.
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:We need to still obey and we need to
stand firm on the truth of God's word,
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:because comfort may be the biggest
distraction that the enemy is allowing
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:in our lives to take our eyes off of God.
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:Because often, if we think back to
times in our lives, on the mountaintop
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:experiences, we can sometimes forget God.
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:There's that Psalm that says that
he asked that God would not give
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:him so many riches that he forgets
God or poverty so that he steals.
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:Yes, that's about finances, but it's
also a biblical principle when we're
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:on top of the world and it seems
like everything's going our way.
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:We can be so tempted to
think we're in God's will.
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:But God's will means living
faithfully according to the Bible,
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:not seeking comfort at all costs.
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:Stephanie: Oh, yes.
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:Sylvia: Let's just feel
very strongly about that.
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:Stephanie: And you should, It's difficult
to not desire that, and yet we need
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:to be continually checking our hearts.
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:The last time I read through Genesis,
when Joseph is imprisoned, that chapter,
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:it says repeatedly, and God was with him
and God was with him and God was with him.
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:He's in prison.
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:And how often we can confuse the comforts
of this world for the favor of God.
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:Sylvia: Great.
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:Yeah.
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:Stephanie: The favor of God is
his presence, his peace with
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:us, his spirit going before us.
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:Could you speak to what it looks like
to parent biblically and consistently,
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:but also to adapt for different
personalities with different children?
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:Sylvia: Of course I can.
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:So God is amazing and He's so wise
and I love in His sovereignty.
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:He knows not only.
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:What we need as parents, but the
parents that our children need.
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:And I think sometimes when we're
in those young years as moms.
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:We can get covetous.
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:We can get discontent.
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:We can get our eyes off the fact
that this is a God who is 100
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:percent good all of the time.
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:And so if I have a child with a strong
will, that was given by a good God with
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:great purpose for, His glory and my joy.
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:And it's so easy for us
to get ransacked on that.
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:But so by virtue of personal example
from our family I was blessed with
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:two very strong willed children.
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:Very strong willed children.
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:Very different in personality, very
different in gifting, very different
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:in passion and that type of thing,
but both of them very strong willed.
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:So right from the get go, I learned that
one of my biggest struggles I had as a
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:person was wanting to please other people.
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:And Instantly, I would be in the
grocery store and have to face strangers
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:looking at me when I had a child that
was stomping their foot and insisting
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:on sugared cereal and out we'd go.
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:We would just leave the
grocery store, no food.
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:We don't buy things at the grocery store
when we don't act like a customer should.
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:We would do the hard work of leaving
and do the hard work of disciplining
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:relentlessly and consistently.
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:I grew to understand that while I need
to parent differently with different
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:personalities for them to best see God
as someone who is able to deal with
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:my different aspects of my personality
and my different emotions in all times
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:and seasons, he is still faithful.
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:He's still a rock and
he's still consistent.
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:And there are some biblical
principles that just don't
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:change related to personality.
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:We are going to teach them to
obey whether they're strong
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:willed or whether they're not.
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:We are going to teach them to worship
God with all of their heart, soul,
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:mind, and strength whether they're
strong willed or not, whether
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:they have a learning disability or
don't have a learning disability.
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:One of my children's school,
Came very easily for and
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:one struggled and struggled.
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:Both have extraordinary worth work
ethics and that had to be taught.
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:We had lists, we had chores.
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:I so appreciate how
Betsy hits home on that.
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:Like asking our children to contribute
to the wellbeing of our family is
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:the most loving thing you can do
because they will always be part of
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:a group in some way, shape or form.
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:They're part of our family.
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:They'll be part of a team at work,
they're going to be part of, a
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:church, they're going to be part
of a group of kids at school.
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:We parented strong willed
children differently according to
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:personality because some of our
children liked a lot of words and
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:some of our children liked None.
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:One child was definitely more
sensitive than the other.
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:And so how we phrase
things was very important.
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:And honestly, in our family, the
sensitive child was actually the child
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:that ended up being least sensitive.
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:Through the teen years and then our child
that seemed least sensitive ended up being
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:most sensitive through the teen years.
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:So as a word of wisdom to
parents, our children change.
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:Puberty does a wild thing to kids.
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:And so parent them with who they
are in that moment, understanding
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:that the consistency of pumping in
God's words and God's principles
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:and God's foundation doesn't change.
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:He's the same yesterday, today, forever.
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:His precepts stand right.
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:And the other glorious thing
is, God tells us in the Bible,
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:if you lack wisdom, ask for it.
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:Ask for it.
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:Ask without doubting.
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:He's so faithful when we're plugged
into him, when we're seeking him, when
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:we're asking him to guide our parenting
rather than us thinking we know best.
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:He's faithful to guide and
lead us in those tough moments.
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:I think the key is we take the,
Things that are made clear in the
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:Word of God, the things that are very
specifically taught us, and we go hard
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:after that because that's crucial.
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:That's key.
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:Those are from God's inerrant Word.
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:We take the particulars of that,
and we take them seriously.
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:We take the principles of that,
and we take them seriously.
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:That eats up pretty much
most of our parenting.
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:With their personality, I think it's
more important that we Flame, the gifting
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:and the sides of their personality that
can be used for God's glory by showing
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:them how their personality can be used
for God's glory and their uniqueness
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:and how they've been gifted that way,
rather than thinking that we have to
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:adapt every single situation to them
because ultimately, As entrusted moms,
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:we aren't child centered in our home.
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:We are God centered, and so we will
take His Word and stand on it boldly,
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:without compromise and joyfully.
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:And I think there's so much to be
said for how we present the Word of
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:God to our children, and how we lay
out disciplining and instructing
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:them in their personalities.
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:Whether they're a more melancholy
personality, or whether they're
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:an exuberant, outgoing extrovert.
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:Introvert to extrovert, God's word is
worthy of our best energy and enthusiasm.
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:So even though they may be a person
that's more stoic, or they may be a
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:child that seems less expressive, I
won't rob God of the goodness of speaking
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:his word with extreme enthusiasm.
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:He's worth it.
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:He's worthy of it.
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:Stephanie: Beautifully said.
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:I could truly relate to you talking
about having fear of man and then
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:having a strong willed child.
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:I can think of specific moments
where we're driving home from
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:the homeschool co op and I'm just
like praying and humiliated and
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:thinking, Lord, I understand.
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:I know that you're teaching
me through this as I target
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:this behavior and train him.
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:But it's so humbling to me and, when
your child's doing things that you
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:would never dream of doing or saying
, again, evaluating, Is my heart right?
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:is it out of fear of man or is it
because I desire to bring you glory?
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:Sylvia: Don't you think it's
so important for us to go back
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:to strong willed children?
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:We don't throw in the towel
on strong willed children.
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:Look in the Bible.
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:Strong willed people, I raised a Peter.
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:One of my children, Peter.
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:Strong willed, impulsive, tenacious,
and yet that's who Jesus said,
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:you know what, you're going to
be instrumental to the church.
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:It didn't negate him being
part of his group of three.
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:Instead, that perfect design of will,
And strength was utilized to get a
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:church going to stand firm on hard
truth, and to really do amazing things.
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:And when you read 1 and 2 Peter, the
truth is laid out so boldly and clearly
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:as only a strong willed child would do.
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:I had to fight discontentment
over having a strong willed child.
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:I kept praying, how come I
didn't get a compliant child?
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:How come I didn't get a compliant child?
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:I will say one scripture that was
a bedrock for me was Psalm 84, 11.
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:That says, The Lord God
is a sun and a shield.
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:The Lord bestows favor and honor.
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:No good thing does he withhold
from those who walk uprightly.
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:And I had to take that scripture
almost daily and say, I wasn't
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:withheld any good thing by being
given a strong willed child.
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:He doesn't withhold one good thing
from those who walk uprightly.
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:So somehow this strong willed
child is actually good.
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:And God increased my faith,
increased my trust that this will
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:is a good thing for our family.
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:It's a good thing for your glory.
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:It's good for that child.
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:And so now give me your wisdom to
parent it and give me the strength.
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:I'm pretty sure it was Betsy
that said that plus one.
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:We just need to win that next battle.
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:That perspective from entrusted is a
game changer, cause we can look ahead
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:and say, do I have 15 years of this now?
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:Am I going to battle this
for the next 20 years?
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:Is this going to be the rest of my life?
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:And then you actually get to see
this glorious gift as you win battle
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:after battle with the children.
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:In a unifying way we're solving it the
way that we've been trained and entrusted.
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:We aren't winning this battle and
one person feels like they won and
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:one person feels like they lost.
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:We're winning because we won together
in unity as we sought the Lord
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:and, asked for forgiveness together
and sought His principles together
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:and moved forward in Him in love.
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:You're moving forward together
in great unity and it's a
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:win, but the cool thing comes.
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:Yes, you fought the battle
when there were three.
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:Yes, you thought it, fought
it when it was five and it's
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:hard and it's ongoingly hard.
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:However, then they get to high school
and peer pressure comes their way.
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:And guess what you find out that same
strong will that had no problem saying no
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:to mom has absolutely no problem saying
no to the temptations of the world.
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:So keep the end view in mind, like
God hasn't given you less than by
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:giving you a strong willed child.
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:God hasn't given you less than
by giving you a child with a
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:personality opposite yours.
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:God hasn't given you
less than in anything.
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:No good thing does He withhold
from those who walk uprightly.
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:Your child's personality is forming
them to be who He needs them to
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:be for His plan and His glory.
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:But it's also shaping us.
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:I'm a much better, loving,
compassionate, tender listener
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:to people because I learned how
to handle a strong willed child.
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:I can be more empathetic.
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:I'm much less, I'm embarrassed to
say this, but it's true, I'm much
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:less judgmental of other moms.
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:I didn't think I had that problem.
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:Until I had a strong willed child,
I would see a mother battling a
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:strong willed child in a grocery
store and I wanted to walk over
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:and give them a solution to that.
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:Have you ever thought about this?
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:And God in his kindness revealed to
me that we are all desperate people
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:needing Him and needing His wisdom.
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:And as a result, I've been able
to love parents through difficult
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:seasons without casting judgment.
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:I've been able to come alongside of
them and offer encouragement because
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:God is the God of all comfort, right?
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:And why does He comfort us?
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:So we can comfort others, it
tells us in 2 Corinthians.
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:It was perfect for the role I'm even in.
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:He taught me and now by
extension, I get to teach others.
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:And so not one personality or
experience with our children is wasted.
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:Stephanie: Absolutely.
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:And I think when we look at How the
disciples were around Jesus and they
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:still fought and Peter was still
impulsive and interrupted and said
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:things that were against God's will.
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:And I had to correct my thinking
that my children's behavior is
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:not a referendum on my parenting.
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:It's much more how I respond to it.
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:And because if the disciples were
still sinning around Jesus, sometimes
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:it is what we tolerate, but often
it's their sin nature coming out and
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:am I going to respond in a Godly way.
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:Am I going to point them
to the good and right way?
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:Will I take this opportunity
to correct in righteousness?
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:But I don't need to take that on.
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:I don't need to own the
sins of my children.
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:I just need to be faithful
to point them to Him.
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:Sylvia: We always say at our house
my response is my responsibility.
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:So my response to the Word of God,
if I'm going to heed it and obey it
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:and forsake sin, my responsibility.
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:My response to Mark, my husband,
is, am I going to submit?
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:And honor and tenderly speak to him.
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:My response is my
responsibility to the kids.
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:Their response to us as parents,
to authority, to teachers,
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:to people, coaches, people
they encounter in their life.
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:Their response is their responsibility
to each other as siblings.
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:That's a God principle that we find
throughout the Bible, even though
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:those words, I'm rephrasing, right?
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:But ultimately, We must respond to
all things biblically, regardless of
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:the situation that we find ourselves
in, regardless of our children's
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:response to us, how then we respond
to their disobedience, whether we
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:will stay in a way that is tender.
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:Bearing with them bearing with them
in love, but love speaks truth.
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:And so we are responsible to raise them up
in the fear and instruction of the Lord,
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:whether they are kicking and screaming or
whether they're, saying, thank you, mom.
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:Stephanie: Are there any other
struggles in motherhood that you've
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:experienced that really forced
you to rely on the Lord's strength
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:Sylvia: For me it actually started
with the pregnancy of my second child
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:we went in for the 20 week ultrasound
where, you get to find out is it a boy
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:or a girl, is it a boy or a girl, and
we were all excited and as they were
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:doing the ultrasound I kept thinking
they're so thorough here, our daughter
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:was born in a different state than our
son and so I thought, oh, they must
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:just do it different here and yeah.
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:The ultrasound continued for quite some
time, and then when the doctor came
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:in, we were just like, Oh, it's a boy,
it's a boy, we're so excited, and at
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:the top of his file folder was a bright
yellow sheet that was a referral to a
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:specialist, and at that time, we were
told that our child was in danger.
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:He had One and a half kidneys.
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:He was likely never to be able to
use the bathroom independently.
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:There was a high likelihood
that he would be born with Down
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:syndrome or other disabilities.
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:And so at that moment we had to face
what a lot of us have to face as moms,
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:whether it's in the womb or with our
child when they're outside of the womb.
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:Of course we know they were
born with Down syndrome.
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:Created, at the moment of conception, and
so at this moment this was my child still
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:but my child in my womb, and instantly
coming to terms with dreams that we had.
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:Ideals that we had.
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:Thoughts that we had, and coming to
terms with who we knew God to be.
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:That's why we are in the Word of God
consistently, because when the moments
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:of crisis hit us, regardless of where
we're at in our walk with our children
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:and in our marriages and in life, when we
have God's Word stored up in our heart.
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:It comes out, out of the overflow
of our hearts, our mouths
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:speak, the Bible tells us.
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:And we came home from that ultrasound,
obviously broken and scared and fear
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:based and really looking at a whole
different life than what we had
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:experienced with our oldest child.
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:We rallied everyone we knew
to start praying for our son.
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:Community is so important to all
of us as we raise our children.
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:We developed at that point before he
was ever born, a strong team of prayer
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:warriors that would pray with and for us.
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:And so we went.
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:to the specialist about an hour
and a half from where we live.
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:And they said, yes, definitely.
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:Your son is going to have
massive complications.
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:He's likely never to
use the bathroom alone.
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:He's likely to have a not
typical life experience.
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:Long story short, we were
grounded in Psalm 145.
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:There's a verse in Psalm 145 that says, On
the Glorious splendor of your majesty and
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:on your wondrous works I will meditate.
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:They shall speak of the might
of your awesome deeds and I
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:will declare your greatness.
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:And so that passage
became a lifeline for us.
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:We're like, what are we
going to meditate on?
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:Psalm 145 tells us on the
glorious splendor of his majesty.
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:I'm not going to meditate on
the potential fears of what my
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:child's life is going to look like.
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:I'm not going to meditate on what
does it look like to raise a special
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:needs child and who am I to do it?
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:No, I'm going to meditate on
the glorious splendor of his
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:majesty and on his wondrous work.
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:And this child is a wondrous work.
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:Whether I understand all the dynamics
of that or not, I trust the word
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:of God and he is a wondrous work.
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:Long story short, he was born and he came
out of our womb and we didn't know We
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:didn't know at all what our future was
going to look like, but we did know who
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:held our future and we knew that it was a
faithful God that was trustworthy when we
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:understood it, trustworthy when we don't.
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:The only complication that he had is
that he has chronic kidney disease,
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:which just means that he lives a life
where he has to be cautious , he only
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:has one kidney, so that's unique.
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:But in God's goodness and
in God's sovereignty, he had
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:one and a half in the womb.
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:And the week before he was born, he
still had one and a half kidneys.
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:We had everyone praying that half
kidney would shrivel up because doctors
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:had told us if by chance half kidney
would shrivel up, his function in
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:life would exponentially increase.
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:And the week before he was born, we
saw the specialist and they're like
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:he still has one and a half kidneys,
and I'm like I'm not done praying.
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:He hasn't been born yet.
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:And so we called everyone.
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:Pray with us.
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:Pray for us.
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:Pray for Zach.
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:Pray that half kidney shrivels
up and people are like, I don't
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:understand why I'm praying this.
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:I'm like, just trust us.
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:Pray it.
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:Long story short, he was
born with one kidney only.
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:All glory to God.
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:Stephanie: praise the Lord!
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:Sylvia: And though that one kidney
has chronic kidney disease, he
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:does not need accommodations.
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:He's able to use the restroom.
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:You would never meet him
and know a thing is wrong.
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:In fact, that is our child that later
participated in Junior Olympics.
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:And none of that could we have seen.
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:Now is God good because
of where he's at now?
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:No, we made that decision in the womb that
God is worthy of our adoration and our
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:love and our worship because of who he is.
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:And that's my challenge.
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:If you have experienced in the womb or out
of the womb, a dream as a mom that just
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:doesn't seem to come to fruition, maybe
you really wanted a child that shared
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:your passion for knitting or crocheting
or reading or sports or anything, no
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:good thing has he withheld from you.
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:There's not one good thing
that God has withheld from you.
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:On the glorious splendor of his majesty
and on his wondrous works, focus on it.
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:Amen.
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:Focus on that, whatever your situation,
wherever you're at with your child.
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:It is not outside of the good plan
of our God, who is 100 percent good,
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:100 percent faithful, 100 percent
just, and 100 percent caring.
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:All of the time.
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:He knows.
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:He loves you.
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:He loves your child and
he loves his children.
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:Stephanie: I love that you learned to
fight and battle for him before he was
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:even here and the fruit of your faith
that was developed in that season, then
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:I can see how that fire that continued to
bless your children as you raised them.
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:That what the Lord was doing
in you was just as important as
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:what he was doing in your son.
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:Sylvia: And it's a wonderful thing
if you've been through struggle
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:with your children before they have
memory of it, tell them about it.
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:We are to tell the next generation
of the good works of God so that
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:we don't forget and they don't
forget and they can pass it on.
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:Like for Zach to know, listen,
dude, your life is a miracle.
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:It's a miracle.
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:Amen.
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:Every aspect of you breathing,
living, walking, using the
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:restroom, for pity's sake.
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:Thank goodness he's a boy and they
don't mind to talk about that.
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:Every aspect of your life is
nothing short of a miracle.
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:Number one.
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:Number two, the church has value.
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:Those people rallied for you.
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:They prayed for you.
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:They were invested in you.
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:Who can you be praying for now?
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:Who are you?
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:What's the impossible prayer of someone
else that you're willing to go before
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:the throne of God on their behalf for?
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:So that also gets them off of
themselves a lot of times, too, to
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:remind them of God's faithfulness and
what He's done for them and how we
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:get to extend that then to others.
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:Their life isn't isolated
to their little world.
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:Their life is all about bringing in God.
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:More people to see the excellencies
of God, bringing in more people to
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:proclaim the excellencies of God, showing
them His work, preaching the gospel.
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:The more that we are faithful to share
of what God has done and really lay
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:out for them, do you see God's hand?
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:Do you see God's hand?
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:Do you see God's hand?
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:Let's pray.
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:They will begin to
process that way as well.
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:And then as they get older, again,
something I can speak to with years
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:under my belt, our kids will say, isn't
it funny how God did this at this age?
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:And now I'm seeing a little inkling
of what he had in mind with that.
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:And then.
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:Sometimes they'll say, I still don't know
why God allowed or ordained this situation
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:in my life, but this I can say, I've seen
His hand in too many other things to not
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:trust that this too will bear fruit for
His glory in some way, shape, or form.
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:Teaching our kids that verse in
Philippians, that He who began a good
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:work in you will be faithful to complete
it is so important because our children
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:need to also grow in their faith.
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:Faith, and build their spiritual muscles
that way to trust God that, listen, He
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:began a good work in you, in the womb.
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:He began a good work in you if, once
they've given their life to Jesus Christ,
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:and of course we know that's in God's
hands, we will point them to Him, point
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:them to His Word, teach the truth, and
ask God in His grace to save their souls.
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:But when, when they receive Christ, if
they receive Christ, that's an important
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:time to say, yeah, He began, and you're
a new creation at that point, and He's
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:going to be faithful to complete the work.
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:He has for you in his perfect
plan with his good purpose.
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:So keep your eyes open for what you see
him doing, so that you can see, Oh, I
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:do believe he's driving towards this,
or what's happening in your life is
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:not outside of the realm of what God
will use to get to that landing point.
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:Faithful to complete it.
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:And of course we know
that means in heaven.
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:So we've got a lifetime to see
God work all things for good.
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:And that's an important training tool
as your kids continue to age too.
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:Stephanie: We know you're busy,
Mama, so we are truly grateful you
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:joined us for this episode of Again.
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:If you're looking for more information
about building your home on the
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:foundation of Jesus Christ, head to www.
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:EntrustedMinistries.
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:com to learn more about our study for
moms, Entrusted with a Child's Heart.
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:This scripture saturated study
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:world, and we want it for you, too.
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:Before you go, I want to pray
this benediction over you
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:from 2 Thessalonians 1, 11 12.
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:We're rooting for you.
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:To this end, we always pray for you,
that our God may make you worthy of His
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:calling, and may fulfill every resolve
for good and every work of faith by
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:His power, so that the name of our Lord
Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in
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:Him, according to the grace of our God.
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:And the Lord Jesus Christ.
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:Amen.
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:Until we meet again.