Episode 94
#92. How Do I Talk to My Kids about Gender Roles and Differences? An Interview with Biblical Counselors Krista and Bryan Ryndak | Part 2
***This episode briefly mentions some delicate topics. You may not want to have younger children listen with you.
This is a hot topic in Christian circles, in culture, and in the news, but what does God actually say about what it means to be a man or a woman? And even when we understand it... how do we talk to our kids about it?!? Does the church need to adjust to meet different genders? How do we talk to our children about pornography and intimacy? Bryan and Krista of So That We, a biblical counseling practice, bring clarity to this truly important topic. Christian parents will receive practical wisdom for themselves, their marriages, their parenting, and for their witness to the watching world.
Be sure to listen to part 1 of this conversation!
Transcript
They're the joyful agains our children.
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:Shout on the swings, the exhausting
agains of cooking and laundry and
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:the difficult agains of discipline.
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:So much of what we do
as mothers is on repeat.
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:So what if we woke up with clarity,
knowing which agains we were called to.
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:And went to bed believing we are
faithful in what matters most.
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:We believe God's word is
the key to untangle from the
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:confusion and overwhelm we feel.
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:Let's look up together to embrace a
motherhood full of freedom and joy.
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:This is the Again podcast brought
to you by Entrusted Ministries and
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:I'm your host, Stephanie Hickox.
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:Today you're going to hear part two of
an incredibly insightful conversation
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:with biblical counselors, Krista and
Brian Rin deck of so that we counseling.
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:They're a phenomenal husband and
wife duo, and the truth that they
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:speak is practical and relevant.
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:you're going to hear a wealth
of experience and wisdom.
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:it's thought provoking, and it
targets the deepest fears that
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:many Christian parents have today.
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:What do we do?
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:When do, do?
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:I really believe you'll walk away from
this portion of the conversation feeling
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:comforted and hopeful, gaining direction
on how to move forward in a healthy,
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:godly way to equip your children but
also for how you can move forward in
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:biblical truth with your spouse and with
other believers in the body of Christ.
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:If you haven't listened to part one, of
course we want you to head there first.
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:I'll link that in the show notes.
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:While we're on the subject of dynamic
duos, I need to remind you that our
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:videos for couples have been recorded.
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:we have video recaps for the couples
book Entrusted with a child's heart,
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:currently, we feel led to offer these.
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:As a free bonus with a book so we can
give hope and encouragement to couples
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:learning at home together, or even
small groups or for church events.
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:Betsy and David Corning
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:have decades of wisdom and
encouragement to offer.
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:I cannot recommend this series
highly enough, and I'll link
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:that in the notes as well.
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:And now we'll continue with
our conversation on biblical
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:manhood and biblical womanhood.
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:How do we train our children to
embrace their God-given identity
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:and not succumb to the lies the
culture is speaking about gender?
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:Krista/Bryan: Yeah, that's such a
great and really important question.
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:I would say it's really important
for parents obviously, to continue
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:to teach biblical truth of what God
says about manhood and womanhood.
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:But I think it's also really important
to teach about what the world is
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:saying in age appropriate ways.
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:I see a lot
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:of
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:parents who shy away from
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:that.
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:But their kids and teenagers
are coming into my counseling
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:office really confused because.
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:They are having teaching on maybe
what it means to be male or female.
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:But sometimes
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:that teaching is occurring in
a way that's really legalistic.
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:It's actually brought
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:the stereotypes into the
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:discussions,
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:and they've really
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:had
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:no
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:teaching
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:about the lies
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:that, that,
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:they're hearing and
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:how
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:to parse those
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:out
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:in
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:their
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:minds.
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:A
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:parent
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:might
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:say, this is what the Bible
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:says.
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:This
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:is
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:what the truth
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:is.
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:But if they don't leave
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:space for conversations, if they don't
leave space for their kid to ask questions
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:about the things that are confusing, then
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:it,
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:that kid is
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:more susceptible to the lies of the world.
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:Or, sometimes
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:outta fear,
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:parents actually
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:overly stereotype
masculinity and femininity.
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:right?
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:Our
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:classic examples
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:that we
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:often talk
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:about
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:are
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:like
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:the girl who's
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:a
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:tomboy, right?
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:What
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:does it mean to
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:be
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:a
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:tomboy
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:or
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:the
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:boy
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:who's
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:like a little bit more sensitive?
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:We know those kids do end up a
little bit more prone to question
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:gender identity because of the
culture that they're growing
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:up
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:in.
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:So for example, if a mom
is, really in the home.
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:Maybe she's wears
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:floral dresses and things like that,
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:but
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:she
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:has
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:a daughter
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:who says,
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:well, I, I
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:don't really like dresses.
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:I
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:like
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:to
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:play sports.
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:I
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:like to
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:wear jeans.
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:If she's not
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:being taught
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:about the lives of
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:the culture, she really can
begin to say, well, am I
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:really
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:a woman?
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:If
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:this
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:is what a woman
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:is?
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:And
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:I don't feel like that's me,
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:am I a
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:woman?
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:Does embracing womanhood for her
mean I could never be myself.
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:I could never
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:be who
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:I feel
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:like
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:I authentically am.
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:Right?
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:So it's really important for parents to be
able to help their kids understand, like
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:in the case of this
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:daughter,
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:you
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:can
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:like
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:sports, you can like jeans,
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:and
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:you can still be female.
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:There's still ways
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:that God has still
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:called you into womanhood.
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:It
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:might
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:be okay to
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:talk
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:about, can
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:you consider
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:a career?
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:Can you
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:balance that with
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:having
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:a
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:family?
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:And if
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:that's never
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:been modeled for her, those are natural
questions that she's gonna have that make
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:her more susceptible to a culture that
says you don't have to change yourself.
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:You can fit
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:in
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:exactly where
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:you
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:are.
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:Right there, There's a
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:place where
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:we can plug
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:you
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:in.
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:So
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:I think
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:important for parents to understand.
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:You don't wanna only have the conversation
about this is what God's word says.
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:You wanna be able to present
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:all
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:of that spectrum
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:for them and help them find
what masculinity and femininity
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:means for them as they're
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:growing
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:up.
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:Yeah.
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:I think one thing I see maybe more so
with guys even than women is a lot of
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:these things being done out of fear,
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:right?
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:Right?
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:Yeah.
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:And I'm sure fear exists in women as
well, but for guys, there's, there seems
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:to be a lot of fear of, well, my, my boys
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:Stephanie: sensitive.
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:So
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:Krista/Bryan: afraid
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:that he is going to be something.
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:Yes.
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:And then so they maybe overreact or
they really drive towards a certain
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:caricature of, masculinity or manhood.
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:It's not wrong to teach masculinity and
manhood, but avoid the caricature Right.
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:Of, of that, per se.
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:There's a podcast, I think
it's the Warrior Poet Society
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:or something like that.
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:But the phrase warrior poet
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:I love
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:and actually when you heard it mm-hmm.
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:krista, you are like,
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:whoa,
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:that's
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:awesome.
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:I grab onto that.
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:But David
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:Stephanie: being
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:the
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:example,
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:Krista/Bryan: Right.
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:He was a Warriors after God's
heart, but yet he was also a poet.
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:Yeah.
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:And a musician, if I'm
remembering my Bible very well.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Um, So those things coexist and they
can, and as a man, we have to be
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:comfortable with how they coexist in
order to teach our young boys mm-hmm.
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:how they can
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:mm-hmm.
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:So from that young man who's
sensitive, it's like, well,
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:this is a great opportunity to,
to teach emotional regulation.
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:Which on both ends of the
spectrum need to be done.
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:Anger versus, you know,
sadness or passivity.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Well, I'm gonna borrow
your language, kind of, you
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:put No, you
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:can't.
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:Yeah.
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:You put some better language
to what I was trying to, to say
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:Stephanie: coexist,
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:right.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Krista/Bryan: To
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:say that
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:a
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:girl can
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:have sort of
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:a spunky personality or , she
can be a little bit more,
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:athletic or outgoing
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:or
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:things like
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:that,
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:And,
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:she can still be a woman.
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:And the,
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:that
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:side of her
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:personality can still coexist
with learning to be that
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:submissive woman, right?
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:Or, grow up into a wife who can
be confident and secure in who she
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:is, and yet understand how to be
submissive and engage with her husband.
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:So I like your word there, coexist.
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:I'm Thinking another piece of this
conversation that seems important in
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:like how we're teaching our children
about identity and not succumbing
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:to the lives of the culture,
actually, is about teaching about
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:sexuality
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:and owning those conversations.
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:I think a lot of Christian
parents, because they're wanting to
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:protect
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:their
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:kids,
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:right?
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:And we should
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:we want them to be innocent of evil and
keep them innocent as long as they can be.
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:But sometimes that
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:can
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:lead parents into a place
where they're actually
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:naive, right?
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:Mm-hmm.
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:they're
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:not having the conversations as
early as perhaps they need to be.
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:And so culture is
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:then owning those conversations for them.
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:The kids are being exposed at school
or with cousins or in the media
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:to
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:questions.
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:And if
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:mom and dad
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:have
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:not started to have
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:honest sexuality conversations, even
questions come up about pornography,
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:about
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:gender
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:identity,
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:about
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:masturbation,
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:right?
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:Kids are hearing
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:about
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:it
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:younger
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:and
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:in
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:an
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:effort to
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:protect, I'm
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:seeing Christian parents sometimes
not own those conversations, not
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:courageously have those conversations.
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:So the confusion in their kids'
mind might have begun two or three
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:years before they even, think that
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:could be planted
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:there.
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:So to be courageous don't assume
that just because you're trying
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:to
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:protect your child,
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:they're actually protected.
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:yeah.
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:The word protection comes to mind.
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:As far as the four pillars, the way
I see it of masculinity and one of
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:the aspects of protection is of your
children, of your wife but specifically
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:in this context of your children, what
are we protecting them from lies, right?
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:Right.
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:We're protecting them from
misinformation to use an overused term.
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:We're protecting them from themselves
at times but not out of fear.
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:What we're trying to do is
protect them in a biblical sense.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Stephanie: Mm-hmm.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:Krista/Bryan: They're gonna be influenced
by everything as you mentioned.
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:And they will seek information.
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:And we, I like the way you put that,
Krista was, own the conversation.
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:You dictate the conversation.
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:Right.
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:Right.
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:You initiate the conversation,
have it first, and have it
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:confidently have it first.
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:Have it often have it confidently.
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:Yeah.
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:And men you're not absolved
from this conversation.
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:How many times do we put
off all that stuff to
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:Stephanie: mom?
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:That's
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:true.
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:My
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:Krista/Bryan: mom,
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:do it.
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:I'm too uncomfortable.
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:I think what we're really saying
is I haven't figured it out myself.
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:Sometimes.
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:Yeah.
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:Especially if we're talking about
some of the more serious things
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:like porn and things like that.
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:You don't have to have it all figured
out to start guiding, putting parameters
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:up for your sons specifically, but for
both, both your sons and your daughters.
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:I guess the idea here is maybe the
word channeling is good, right?
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:And so if we're talking about maybe
sexuality conversations, but really
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:with everything for men to boys
channeling, what do we do with our anger?
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:What do we do with our sexual drive?
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:What do we do with our stupidity
when we see that good looking girl
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:the
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:first time, and we can't
formulate a sentence.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:How do we treat mom?
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:How do we treat women?
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:How do we treat other men?
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:How do we act, channeling all
these masculine tendencies,
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:every stick is a weapon.
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:How do we channel
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:that?
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:Right?
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:And that's a heavy responsibility
for guys and women are involved in
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:that too, but man to boy, it's huge.
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:That's really good.
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:I'm thinking also about like the
people that we surround our kids with
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:that are influencing them as well.
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:And the importance of the different
environments that we have them in.
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:And getting curious about too.
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:Some of the
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:things
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:that
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:I
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:see
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:coming out.
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:Again, fear.
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:You mentioned fear, like
fear related things.
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:In the counseling office, people
come in and they're really upset
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:'cause their kid is wanting to
try a certain clothing style.
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:Or a certain hairstyle
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:or things
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:like that
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:that
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:maybe
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:have
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:a cultural representation what they mean.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:So maybe
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:my daughter
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:wants to cut her hair in a
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:style
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:that
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:I
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:think
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:Looks
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:like
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:a
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:boy.
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:And
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:so a mom will immediately react
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:and assume
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:that
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:means something.
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:Assume this means this
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:kid
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:is
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:wanting
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:make
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:a, choice down a path that
mom doesn't want her to
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:go in.
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:Instead of say be really curious.
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:Start like, why are they
wanting their hair cut this way?
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:Are they trying to emulate
a certain online influencer?
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:Stephanie: What's
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:Krista/Bryan: to you
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:Stephanie: about that?
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:Krista/Bryan: So
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:instead of being reactive
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:Stephanie: be
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:Krista/Bryan: be curious.
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:Ask questions that help you shepherd
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:the heart
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:that's underneath.
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:And not just reacting to
maybe the superficial things
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:that you see on the outside.
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:Right.
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:Is this just a normal
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:Stephanie: childhood
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:Krista/Bryan: or is there
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:really
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:Stephanie: something deeper?
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:If I'm
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:reacting to
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:it, like
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:Krista/Bryan: it's some really big
deal, sometimes a kid is gonna grasp
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:Stephanie: onto that
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:Krista/Bryan: more.
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:That it's, you know,
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:Stephanie: Oh,
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:that
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:got
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:a reaction
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:Krista/Bryan: of mom
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:and dad,
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:So it
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:must mean
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:Stephanie: They're
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:now
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:Krista/Bryan: a value
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:Stephanie: to
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:it
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:Krista/Bryan: that we're
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:not intending for them
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:to assign.
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:Stephanie: I am thinking about
a personal example when my.
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:Boys were little and I had a baby girl.
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:They saw her get a ton of attention.
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:And
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:then, and they did not
realize that you got that much
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:attention when you were a baby
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:too.
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:Right?
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:Right.
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:And then also they had two
grandfathers pass away very quickly.
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:So those were some circumstances
that happened in our life.
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:Well then all of a sudden one of my boys
started saying, I wish I were a girl.
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:I wish I were a girl.
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:Krista/Bryan: the,
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:Stephanie: retching.
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:Yeah.
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:But then as I prayed about it, I'm
like, Lord, will you help me understand?
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:And so we would have these
conversations, what do you mean by that?
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:And I realized, first of all, he
thought girls get more attention.
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:And then secondly, he
thought, men die early.
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:Krista/Bryan: I would rather
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:Stephanie: a girl.
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:Yeah.
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:And in his tiny little
mind that made sense.
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:And then I was able to
talk through those things.
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:And then all of a sudden when
I heard him say that thing, it
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:didn't bother me internally.
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:I wasn't afraid.
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:I wasn't trying to control it.
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:I was trying to help continue
enlighten him in the truth.
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:Yes.
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:And say, actually sweetheart,
that's what happened in our family.
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:But let me tell you, you
know, there are other stories.
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:He's 92 and he's going strong.
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:And then to talk to him about, yes.
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:Let me show you some pictures of you when
you were a baby and how much attention you
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:got and how I loved that time with you.
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:I'm just so thankful that as
I prayed, the Lord led me.
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:That's not the root of it.
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:Get to the root.
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:Krista/Bryan: Right?
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:Yes.
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:That's a great example.
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:Exactly what we're talking about.
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:Try to get to the root and don't
just react to what you think,
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:what's your greatest fear?
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:They're gonna become this or that, or
they're gonna do this or that thing.
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:Don't assume that's what's happening.
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:That's really good.
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:In an effort to lead sometimes
guys, we miss the curiosity part.
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:And we go right to a phrase like, no,
son of mine is going to da, da da.
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:No daughter of mine is
going to do, do, do.
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:Mm.
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:And instead of going there
first, this idea of prayer and
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:self-examination, curiosity.
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:Yeah.
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:What is really underneath this?
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:Is it I think that example, we had
an example the idea that if a boy
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:wants to take dance class right?
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:And so instead of the reaction of, well,
no son of mine is gonna take dance class.
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:What are we really concerned about?
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:Yeah.
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:What, being curious about
what are our fears in that
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:Stephanie: Mm-hmm.
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:Krista/Bryan: Is it the dance
that we're really worried
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:about or is it the potential.
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:Environment or the agenda that is often
present, not always, but often present in
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:certain environments, certain activities.
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:So can we delineate between the
activity not being a problem versus
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:the environment that they're in, the
influences that might be under and does
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:that change our conversation with them?
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:Does that change our reaction?
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:Does that change our decision?
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:Does it give us validation
for the decision,
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:Stephanie: Yeah, I think that's
excellent not just be curious about
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:their heart and their intention with
it and their motives, but also our own.
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:That's a fantastic point.
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:So what do you think the church should
do to break free from stereotyping,
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:genders or to avoid these ditches
as you've said, and appeal to
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:a broader range of believers?
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:Krista/Bryan: I think That's
a good question for Brian.
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:He thinks a lot
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:about the church.
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:Think a
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:lot about
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:men
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:in
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:church.
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:Yes.
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:Yes.
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:Maybe so if we mean appealing to a
broader range of Christians, if we
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:mean different levels of maturity
or single versus married, then I
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:think all the advice is the same.
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:Right.
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:Sometimes when we.
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:Say, appealing to a broader audience.
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:We bristle a little bit and say,
well, let's not water things
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:down, or something like that.
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:But let's just assume that we're just
talking about different levels of
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:maturity and single versus married
or so I, I would say really move
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:away from the emphasis on gender
roles and embrace gender differences.
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:The characteristics
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:style, what appeals to each gender.
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:What programs do we do, we
provide things like that.
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:So think about the characteristics and
not roles when you're designing things.
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:Don't erase genders in the church.
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:That's good.
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:And by
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:that I mean over feminize the
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:environment or over
masculinize the environment.
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:Either direction, either ditch,
you're erasing the other gender.
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:If, I get a little passionate
sometimes about this, so smack me,
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:Krista, if I,
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:if you talk too much, if
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:I get, if You're talking
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:to
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:the woman who
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:talks
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:too much, so I dunno if I
get a little, rambunctious
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:here, but is the church
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:feminine
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:looking?
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:Does
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:it
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:have all
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:flowy tapestry and flowers everywhere and
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:soft colors
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:and
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:singing
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:love
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:songs, songs, and
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:these sweet rhythms and
melodies and, is that the only
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:thing that's there?
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:Right.
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:right.
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:Is there any evidence of
masculinity in the church?
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:Is there an aura of duty and calling
and quest adventure of boldness of
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:a rhythmic beat towards something?
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:A looking for that heart pounding beat
that kind of awakens the desire for
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:this
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:magic quest,
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:Mm.
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:Uh, uh, within
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:God's purpose, made, works for us.
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:What
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:are
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:they?
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:there's no evidence of that
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:whatsoever, I can see it when I walk
into a church and the guys are staring
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:nicely straight ahead and maybe
mouthing a few words or so and Right.
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:Hoping that the service is over soon.
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:yeah.
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:Right.
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:We don't want
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:that.
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:No.
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:Right.
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:What happens when we go to
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:a a rock
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:concert or something, we leave
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:man,
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:I wanna
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:play
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:instruments.
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:I'll
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:never learn.
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:I I want
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:to go drive
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:really fast.
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:I want, I wanna personify something.
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:We want church to be a part of
that awakening in a man's soul.
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:Okay.
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:That was my little soapbox, no, that's
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:really good.
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:good.
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:Other things
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:though, getting
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:back
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:on track.
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:Honestly.
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:Preach
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:deep
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:theology.
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:Yeah.
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:Every Every
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:Sunday.
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:Yeah.
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:What do words mean?
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:What is the Greek, what is the Hebrew,
what is the cultural context of all that?
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:What are the apologetics
surrounding that, you know, words
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:like help mate help meet mm-hmm.
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:meekness, things like that.
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:Provide study for your leaders, but just
for everybody on what masculinity is.
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:Get in the weeds.
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:Get in the controversies of it.
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:Good.
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:We're finding this
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:information elsewhere
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:if we're not getting it from church.
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:Mm-hmm.
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:You know, What is the
theology behind this?
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:Do a better
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:job
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:than
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:I
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:do of explaining all this.
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:. But also
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:allow men to be, men.
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:Allow men to, be men
in their active pursuit
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:of
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:God.
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:So
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:I wanna clarify
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:a little bit what I just
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:said.
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:Sometimes
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:and historically allowing men to be men
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:is
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:actually
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:kind
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:A
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:negative
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:statement,
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:right?
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:What were men,
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:you know, are they drinking?
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:Are they, Carousing?
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:Are they not spending
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:time with their
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:family?
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:That's
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:not what we mean by allow
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:men to be men.
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:Allow
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:men to be men within their pursuit, their
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:active
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:pursuit of what God has for them.
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:So what do I mean
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:by that?
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:Allow
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:the
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:rough to be
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:rough.
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:Right.
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:Allow the smart to be
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:smart.
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:Not that the two are dichotomous.
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:But you get the imagery there.
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:Promote
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:and expect knowledge,
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:strength and
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:relationships.
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:Promote and provide, doing
hard things from what we want.
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:We're going out and
finding hard things to do.
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:Yeah.
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:Or we're dying inside.
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:Right.
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:Essentially drive the pursuit
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:of
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:our mission,
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:whatever our mission
is in God's work within
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:our masculinity.
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:Uh,
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:That
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:being
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:active
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:side
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:by
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:side
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:strong minds.
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:Strong bodies
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:all that
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:stuff falling into that
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:masculine
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:category
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:within performing god's work.
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:Here's one that I hear.
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:Don't
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:tell guys that in order to be
a Christian, he can't shoot
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:a gun or can't be a black belt
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:and but
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:also don't force a guy to shoot a gun or
to be a black belt in Juujitsu in order
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:to be a Christian man in the church.
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:Okay.
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:Okay And maybe the last thing
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:I'm thinking of is
don't elevate passivity.
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:And sometimes we get that there's a
whole book on this, but sometimes we
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:get that from, we're trying to turn the
other cheek, we're trying to, we have a,
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:maybe a misunderstanding of meekness and
a misunderstanding of what peacemaking
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:actually means and things like that.
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:But what the result of that
often has been, at least as
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:I have seen is passive men.
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:And we can't
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:have
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:that.
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:' cause when we're
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:passive, we
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:don't
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:lead.
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:Yeah, that's really good.
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:Piggybacking off of that, I'm
thinking of how many churches
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:are a little more female led,
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:we might have male
leadership from the platform.
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:We might have male elders,
but women are doing
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:all
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:the legwork,
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:right?
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:Women are more present.
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:It really is
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:an
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:environment
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:that appeals to
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:women.
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:and yet
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:what
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:has the
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:church done to maybe contribute to that?
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:Is what I think I hear you saying.
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:What can the church do
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:to actually
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:help
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:change that trend where the entirety
of what's happening on a Sunday morning
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:motivates a man, encourages a man,
makes him feel like he belongs there and
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:he
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:doesn't have
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:to be just
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:dragged
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:along to his
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:wife's
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:activity
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:as a passive
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:observer.
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:Well, and historically, that's
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:what the case has been.
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:At some point 60 3% of attendees
in a church were female, right?
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:And along with that, females led
the decision of, we're gonna go
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:to
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:church.
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:We're, this is where we're gonna go.
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:Yeah.
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:Come on guys.
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:That shouldn't be the case.
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:But
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:we're
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:also, as
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:men, we don't really, I.
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:Seem to care what it looks like.
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:So women are on the decorating
committees, that's a woman's
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:job we say, and all that stuff.
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:But then we wonder what is it that we
don't feel alive when we go to church?
829
:So is there some kind
of role for us there?
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:I don't want to be on a decorating
committee, but I also have an
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:opinion of what I see as well.
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:So
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:how
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:do
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:I
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:reconcile?
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:That's good.
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:Yeah.
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:Well,
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:to that point, it almost seems
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:like
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:maybe that's something
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:for
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:women to
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:consider then, are there ways
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:that we
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:are contributing to
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:the problem because
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:we're
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:maybe
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:operating
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:in those spaces where we
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:have
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:giftedness and we are
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:not
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:considering
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:the men, we're not
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:considering
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:our
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:husbands and
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:our
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:sons
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:while
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:we're
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:on
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:the
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:decorating committee.
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:Or
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:we are giving our
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:opinions about
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:what music should be sung
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:or
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:whatever.
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:Maybe
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:we are thinking a little bit
too narrow mindedly and even
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:a little bit self-centered
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:about how we're doing
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:that
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:Did I just hear a sigh of
disappointment that the episode is over?
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:I don't blame you, but don't worry.
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:You can get more wisdom
from Krista and Brian Eck
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:if you head to so that we.com,
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:they're local to the Chicago area, but
are absolutely willing to meet virtually
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:with anyone seeking freedom and hope.
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:And there's even another resource
I'd love to point out to you.
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:Krista created an anxiety e-course
entitled Anxiety Demystified,
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:and it helps you understand.
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:This very common issue from a biblical
perspective, whether you're struggling
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:yourself or guiding a child through
an anxious season, or perhaps you
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:just wanna be equipped to parent
emotions in a healthy way in your home.
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:This is certainly A fantastic tool
to have in your toolbox, and I would
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:highly suggest you seek it out.
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:You'll learn how anxiety affects
the mind, the body, the spirit,
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:and how the Lord intends for
you to work through all of that.
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:We hope to have you back next week.
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:We have so much more coming this fall.
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:You'll hear encouragement from a mom
whose kiddo is now thriving after
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:some challenging years , and you'll
hear how we can have hope and even
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:the most challenging of circumstances.
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:You'll also learn more from Kristen
Bryan on what spiritual leadership should
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:look like and how you can encourage
your husband to thrive in that role.
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:We're gonna keep it coming,
so we hope to have you back.
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:You're always welcome.
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:Stephanie: we know you're busy, mama.
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:So we are truly grateful you joined us for
this episode of again, if you're looking
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:for more information about building your
home on the foundation of Jesus Christ,
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:head to www dot Entrusted Ministries
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:for moms Entrusted with a child's Heart.
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:This scripture saturated study
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:world, and we want it for you too.
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:Before you go, I want to pray this
benediction over you from Second
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:Thessalonians one 11 through 12.
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:We're rooting for you to this end.
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:We always pray for you that our God
may make you worthy of his calling
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:and fulfill every resolve for good.
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:And every work of faith by his power
so that the name of our Lord Jesus
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:may be glorified in you and you
and Him according to the grace of
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:our God and the Lord Jesus Christ.
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:Amen.
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:Until we meet again.