#66. Sanctity of Life: It Impacts You More Than You May Realize (Part 1)(REPLAY)
This very special episode is in celebration of Sanctity of Life Sunday. Listen in as Entrusted Ministries Director and longtime Christian journalist Tom Strode discuss the biblical basis for the dignity of life, the historicity of this debate, and what we can do as believers to live this principle out.
Transcript
They're the joyful agains our children shout on the swings, the
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:exhausting agains of cooking and laundry,
and the difficult agains of discipline.
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:So much of what we do
as mothers is on repeat.
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:So what if we woke up with clarity,
knowing which agains we were called
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:to, and went to bed believing we
are faithful in what matters most?
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:We believe God's word is
the key to untangle from the
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:confusion and overwhelm we feel.
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:Let's look up together to embrace a
motherhood full of freedom and joy.
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:Welcome to the again, podcast.
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:I'm your host, Stephanie Hickox.
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:And this is brought to you
by entrusted ministries.
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:This Sunday is sanctity of life Sunday.
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:So I'm, rereleasing an incredibly
insightful interview between
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:Tom Strode and Betsy Corning.
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:Last year, they sat down to talk
about the sanctity of life issue,
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:both the historicity of it and
the theological implications.
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:I have two challenges
for us before we listen.
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:Number one, I want to challenge
you to listen to a podcast.
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:That isn't just about you and
how you can grow right now.
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:As moms we are so often looking
for self-improvement opportunities.
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:But can we take the time to focus on an
issue that is close to the Lord's heart?
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:And ask that he would grow
us in our biblical grounding.
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:Of a truly important issue.
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:That we would work to
change our perspective.
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:Long-term.
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:Basically, I'm challenging you to pursue
sanctification and not just short term.
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:Self-improvement.
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:Secondly.
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:May I encourage you to look
beyond the abortion issue when
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:you think of sanctity of life.
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:Whenever we pour into the least
of these, our savior, Jesus Christ
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:said that we are serving him.
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:Matthew 25, truly affirms.
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:The abundant opportunities.
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:We have to port into
others in sacrificial ways.
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:And I would ask that you would take a
moment or two after you listened today.
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:To text or connect with a friend to
give a little encouragement to say.
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:The Lord sees your sacrifice
and your hard work.
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:And so do I.
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:Perhaps you have a gen in your life.
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:Who works to love mothers
who find themselves.
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:In the position of having an
unwanted or unexpected pregnancy.
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:And they work diligently to connect
these mothers with loving, adopted
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:families so that the baby and the
mother will have a redemptive story.
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:Perhaps you have a Lindsey or a
Kristin in your life that you respect.
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:Who works as a nurse and
helps to give babies or ER.
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:Patients a fighting chance at life.
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:Perhaps you have a Kiersten,
a Heather or a Christie.
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:That serve special needs children at
home and pour their days and nights.
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:And to someone, knowing that
they bear the image of the Lord.
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:Do you have a Megan?
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:Who spent years pouring into children in
a classroom as they patiently waited for
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:the Lord to provide their own children.
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:Or maybe you have a Kim who is up many
times a night with a sweet newborn.
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:Though the months of
exhaustion are building up.
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:Do you have an Amber or an Allan?
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:Who takes their family member to
countless appointments so that they can
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:get the help and care that they need.
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:Or do you have a Kelly?
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:Who decided to go back for another degree?
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:So she can help.
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:Children's struggling through diagnoses.
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:Do you know someone who is a caretaker
of a husband, a parent, or an in-law.
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:Someone with special needs and they just
need to know that God sees and hears and
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:is honored by their, every sacrifice.
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:That this Jesus who washed
the feet of his disciples.
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:Sees this mother pouring
diligently into others.
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:The sanctity of life means that we
honor those created in the image of God.
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:And mama.
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:I'm guessing that's you.
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:So now let's get to that interview
with a truly impressive journalist, Mr.
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:Tom Strode.
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:Before we begin to listen in on
this truly informative dialogue.
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:I want to share a little bit about Mr.
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:Stroads impressive resume.
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:Tom Strode has worked many years in
Christian journalism and public policy.
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:He recently retired from the Baptist
press as the Washington DC bureau chief.
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:And he held that position for 32 years.
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:He has served in Christian
journalism for 40 years.
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:And was also a correspondent for the
ethics and religious liberties commission.
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:Or E R L C as we'll refer to it here.
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:And though I could tell you
much more about his resume.
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:I think what others have to say about his
character is even more impressive to hear.
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:One man said it is not an
overstatement to describe.
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:Tom is one of the greatest writers
in the history of Baptist journalism.
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:Former E R L C.
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:Vice-president called Mr.
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:Strode.
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:One of the finest man, he has ever known.
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:His example of gracious faithfulness
has influenced many Christian
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:men and women working in DC.
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:He said he could always count on
Tom to search out the whole truth of
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:an issue and to report it clearly.
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:And a longtime bioethics consultant
referred to Tom as the consummate
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:professional, competent adept and
ethical, and a giant of personal and
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:professional integrity in every way.
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:Our listeners know Betsy Corning
as the author of entrusted
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:with the child's heart.
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:And she has been praying for Roe V.
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:Wade to be overturned
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:for almost 50 years and this past June.
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:Her prayers and the prayers of many
faithful followers of Christ and pro-life
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:advocates had their hopes realized.
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:But we want to make it clear.
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:This isn't about debating.
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:This is about embracing God's word and the
truth that reveals and living that out.
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:That our love of the Lord would
extend outside our front door.
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:And that we would be the hands
and feet of Christ to this world.
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:And that inside our homes.
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:Knowing the truth that God truly
cares for every human life.
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:would energize and renew
us to care for our family.
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:Well, and to know that God has
a purpose for every human life.
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:May you be blessed, strengthened,
and encouraged to wholeheartedly
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:foul and the truths of God's word.
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:And may the Lord reveal to you
how you can practically live
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:that out in your home and beyond.
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:Tom: It's a pleasure to be here,
I'm so grateful for the Ministry
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:of Entrusted and it's kind of you
to enable me to be a part of this.
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:Betsy: Well, in our discussion so
far, it's been very interesting to
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:see all of your insight and wisdom
about what's happened over, really,
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:not just your part as a reporter.
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:in the last 40 years, but
just through the centuries.
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:And we would like to update our listeners
on really what's been happening in this
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:whole issue of the sanctity of life
and abortion and other related issues.
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:Hopefully it serves to really
enlighten some people that.
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:For me, I wasn't up to date on a lot of
the things that I've been reading lately.
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:And I feel that often the
public legs behind what's really
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:happening behind the scenes.
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:So hopefully this will be helpful.
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:I know it's going to be deep and I
know it's going to be eye opening.
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:So we really thank
everybody for listening.
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:We do believe in the Bible and
the authority of God's word.
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:So.
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:Tom, let's start with talking about,
how the Bible addresses the issue of
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:abortion and the sanctity of life.
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:Tom: Well, thank you, Betsy.
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:And you're right.
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:I mean, that is where we need to start.
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:But the Bible's.
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:picture of life, human life, it's
worth really is established quickly in
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:the very first chapter of God's word.
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:And Genesis 1, 27 describes God creating
human beings and the first human being
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:after he created other creatures.
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:And in this case, it says that, so
God created man in his own image.
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:In the image of God, he created him.
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:Male and female, he created them.
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:And so we see, unlike the other creatures
that are created by God mankind, human
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:beings, who it says he made male and
female, were created in his image.
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:And he confirms that in Genesis
chapter nine, after the flood that
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:brought judgment upon the earth,
except for Noah and his family
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:and the animals that were spared.
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:God tells Noah there that he's
going to require a reckoning
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:for the taking of a man's life.
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:And in the reason he gives in
in verse 6 of Genesis 9 is for
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:God made man in his own image.
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:And so he's saying that capital
punishment is Is a result of murder
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:of the taking of a human being's life.
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:And so that provides basically the
umbrella for the Bible's teaching on the
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:dignity and sanctity of all human life.
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:And then when you consider
as we are at this time and on
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:this podcast the unborn child.
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:We see that the Bible uses, in some
cases, language for the, in its
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:original languages, for the unborn child
that it also uses for young infants.
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:Luke is maybe the best example.
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:There's the word that's
used for baby there.
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:Brephos is how we would translate it
from the Greek language to describe
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:John the Baptist when he's still
in his mother Elizabeth's womb.
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:But then it also is used, that's in
Luke chapter 1, in Luke chapter 2 that
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:same word is used to describe the baby
Jesus in the manger on two occasions.
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:And then Luke 18 That same word is
used to describe infants and babes
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:who are brought to Jesus by their
parents for him to touch them.
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:And so there are other ways in which
the Bible affirms the dignity of the
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:unborn child as a member of the whole
human family that has human dignity
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:and sanctity, because it's made, or he
or she, Is made in the image of God.
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:Betsy: And not only made
in the image of God.
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:But life begins.
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:I think that's a big question
that society has raised, is
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:when does life actually begin?
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:And of course the Bible tells us
that life begins at conception.
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:So and we can see some verses obviously
the whole Psalm 139, which David is
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:speaking there about how the Lord formed
his Fashioned his unformed substance
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:and you know all his days were known
before there was even one of them.
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:So we understand that too and as
believers we we embrace that understanding
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:that life begins at conception.
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:So we were discussing briefly a book
that is now out of print called Third
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:Time Around and that book sort of talks
about Nothing new under the sun, right?
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:That this is the third time around there's
been this major push for abortion and
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:can you just briefly tell us, I guess
that book was written by a pastor, George
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:Grant, and he actually lives in Franklin.
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:Tell us a little bit about his book and
why he wrote it and the history behind it.
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:Right, and that I think is really
important for us all to consider as
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:Christians in the 21st century that this
viewpoint of the church based on scripture
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:and the church's ministry in the pro
life arena has been around for centuries.
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:Tom: Um,
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:George Grant in this book Talks about
the fact that infanticide and abortion
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:have existed through the centuries, but
so has the church's pro life ministry.
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:He cites the a document known as the
Didache, which is subtitled, The Teaching
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:of the Twelve Apostles to the Nations,
that was came, came into existence around
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:the turn of the very first century AD.
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:And in it, The Didache says there
are two ways, one of life and one
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:of death, and there is a great
difference between the two ways.
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:And later it says, You shall
not murder a child by abortion,
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:nor kill a child at birth.
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:So we're talking about early, early
church history, and this viewpoint that
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:the church held that abortion was murder,
and infanticide is murder as well.
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:And so he traces this history and
one of the people he focuses on in
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:one of his chapters in the, about the
early church was Basil of Caesarea.
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:He was the Bishop of Caesarea
in the fourth century AD.
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:And he taught and worked and led his
church to oppose abortion and infanticide
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:and to develop pro life ministries.
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:At this time in the Roman Empire
families could just abandon
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:children after they were born if
they decided they didn't want them.
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:The father could make a decision
whether that child would continue
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:to be a member of the family and
they had these walls in Caesarea.
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:Where they would expose the
children and they would die there.
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:And and he and others, the deacons
in his church, went out one night
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:and actually tore down the walls
to demonstrate they were not going
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:to stand for that at this time.
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:And then, through the centuries, the
church has continued to have this pro
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:life view and this view of the dignity
of the unborn child and all human beings,
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:not only in starting ministries to
vulnerable people, starting hospitals.
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:But continuing to support the pro
life cause for pre born children.
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:He talks about in this book the missionary
movement of the:
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:When people like Amy Carmichael William
Carey, David Livingston, and others,
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:Opposed abortion and infanticide and
ministered to those women in need
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:as part of their gospel ministry.
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:And so what we do now as the
church is just building on the
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:heritage we have, which is based
on obviously the word of God.
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:And I thought your point about
David writing in Psalm 139 is, is.
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:A good illustration of another way in
which the Bible affirms the dignity
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:and sanctity of a pre born child.
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:He not only talks about being formed
in his mother's womb, but Others write
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:similar things as well in the Bible.
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:Jeremiah, Isaiah, and the Apostle Paul
all talked about God's claim on their
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:lives when they were still in the womb.
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:And so, we really have
a wonderful heritage.
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:It's a heritage that goes against the
culture that we live in now and that
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:Christians have lived in in the past.
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:Betsy: And what a wonderful thing to
think about our heritage, that the Lord
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:has created each of us in his image for
his purposes, and he knows that purpose.
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:I think that ought to really encourage
every one of us, that God has a purpose.
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:For our lives.
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:And I hope that our children grow up
knowing that and knowing that they're
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:actually very special and beloved by God.
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:In fact, it says in Ezekiel,
all souls belong to God.
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:And I really love that verse also.
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:You mentioned here that the
father could dispose of his child,
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:sell the child into slavery.
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:It was my understanding from some recent
research that this was a lifelong thing.
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:And I was really taken by that.
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:The Bible is so contrary to life being
cheap or insignificant or not meaningful.
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:It definitely has purpose, and that's
a part of the sanctity of life also.
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:You mentioned some of these
people that didn't just work for
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:abortion, but they also worked
for treating people in hospitals.
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:Give us an example of how The
sanctity of life really spreads
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:into other areas of life.
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:It's really not just about the abortion
issue, but it's about the dignity
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:of life in several different arenas.
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:Tom: No, you're exactly right, Betsy,
and I think that is really important.
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:A lot of the focus for me early when
my pro life convictions and efforts
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:was just focused on the unborn and,
and have to realize based on Genesis
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:1, if nothing else, that that statement
that every Human being is made in
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:the image of God, that the very first
person was made in the image of God.
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:It covers everything, everyone, and it's
not governed by the health of a person,
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:the age of a person, the condition of a
person, the skin color or ethnicity of
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:a person, the gender of a person, even.
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:It's all encompassing, and so when we
think of other Ministries are other
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:people in different situations other
than the pre born whether they're
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:people who have Down syndrome or other
conditions, whether there are people
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:who are poor, whether they're terminally
ill, whether they're elderly, whether
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:they have, Alzheimer's and dementia, and
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:trafficking victims refugees, immigrants,
everyone is made in the image of God and
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:we, in relating to everyone, even our
opponents on this issue and other issues,
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:we need to remember that person is made
in the image of God and is deserving.
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:of protection in life, but also
respect as an image bearer.
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:Betsy: Yes, I agree, and I think we're
going to come back to some of those
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:issues to some degree, but let's go
back to where we are right now in
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:this country because it's, it's a big,
some big changes are going on, and of
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:course when that happens, then we're
going to have some big challenges.
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:So, As far as Roe v.
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:Wade goes, I mean, I would like our
listeners to really understand how
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:did this third time around happen,
and when did it kind of start?
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:It sort of formulated earlier
than the 70s when the Roe v.
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:Wade decision was made, but can you
give us some background on that?
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:And, and who were Roe, and who were
Wade, and how did this all come to be?
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:Tom: Okay, sure.
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:You know, abortion was not outlawed
by the states at the beginning
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:of the American Republic, but in
, in the:
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:actually enacted a ban on abortion.
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:And after the Civil War a, kind of
a coalition, even if they weren't
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:working together so much, of churches,
denominations, doctors, and even
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:the early women's rights advocates,
were working to protect human life.
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:Some of the, we, some women, Who are
considered early feminists like Susan B.
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:Anthony and Elizabeth Stady Canton.
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:were pro life.
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:They weren't working to give
women the right to abortion.
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:They saw those children, unborn
children, as deserving of protection.
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:And so by the 1880s, all states
in America at that time had
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:some form of abortion ban.
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:Now they may have different from state
to state, but largely abortion was
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:banned in the 1880s in the states.
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:Well, you jump forward about 80 years
things began to change in the:
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:Some states legalized abortion.
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:Most notably, New York.
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:New York State did not have
a residency requirement.
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:So, women would travel from other states
to where their, where abortion was
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:illegal, where they live, to New York.
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:To have an abortion.
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:And in fact, in the 1972, the year before
abortion was legalized in this country,
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:more than 100, 000 women traveled just
to New York City to have abortions.
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:And then everything changed
nd,:
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:That was the date of the Roe v.
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:Wade decision.
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:In that decision, the Supreme
Court justices voted 7 2, to strike
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:down all state bans on abortion.
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:So what they did was wipe out every
state restriction on abortion.
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:They decided that their, the reasoning
was that there was a right to privacy
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:in the constitution and that right
to privacy protected a woman's
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:right to choose to have an abortion.
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:On the same day, There was
a companion decision, also
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:approved by 7 2, known as Doe v.
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:Bolton.
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:And in that decision, the court legalized
abortion for women after the viability
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:of the child for health reasons.
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:And those health reasons,
they said, Included physical,
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:emotional, psychological,
familial, and the woman's age.
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:Anything that was relevant
to her well being.
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:So what ended up happening was that
made abortion just an expansive right.
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:What I think was rightfully
called abortion on demand.
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:And and so for the next almost
50 years, it's estimated that
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:63 million Unborn children were
aborted legally in this country.
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:and obviously there's opposition to that.
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:Out of that, the pro life movement
was already there, but it really began
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:to develop after the Roe decision.
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:And a year later, the first
March for Life was held.
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:It's been held every year
since then in Washington, D.
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:C.,
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:and was again yesterday in Washington, D.
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:C.
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:Tens of thousands of
people gathered together.
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:To march for the sanctity of human life.
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:Betsy: So, who was Roe, specifically?
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:Who was that woman?
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:Tom: Well, those who were trying to
overturn Texas's abortion law, at least.
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:And as it turned out, they had
accomplished overturning all state bans.
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:We're looking for a woman
to provide the test case.
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:And so, Jane Rowe, as she was known in
the case, was actually Norma McCorvey.
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:This became known later.
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:She was a woman who was interested
in having abortion, agreed to
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:be a part of the test case.
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:And and so, Wade was Henry
Wade, who was the District
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:Attorney for the Dallas County.
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:And so they challenged the abortion
rights lawyers, challenged the
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:Texas law on behalf of Jane Roe.
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:And and it went all the
way to the Supreme Court.
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:The court obviously agreed with them.
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:Maybe beyond their wildest dreams, I
don't know, in what they actually ruled.
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:And it received criticism
even from liberals.
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:Lawyers after that.
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:There were some lawyers.
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:legal scholars like Lawrence Tribe of
Harvard Law School, like Ruth Bader
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:Ginsburg, who was a women's rights
lawyer at that time, but then she became
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:Supreme Court Justice in the 1990s.
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:And they were critical, not of
the ultimate decision, they agreed
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:with abortion rights, but they were
critical of the court's reasoning in
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:coming to the conclusion they did.
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:In fact, Ruth Bader Ginsburg said it
was sweeping, and it was really doctor
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:centered rather than woman centered.
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:Betsy: Very interesting.
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:Well, we understand that not
everybody is going to think of
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:human life the same that we do.
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:We understand that we're presenting
here the Christian worldview, that
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:we believe that God created each
individual in his image and, and has.
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:Worth placed on their lives.
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:And so we protect that life,
but we understand that there are
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:people that don't believe that.
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:And because they don't believe that
that has implications for life also.
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:One of the things that I've learned
recently, which was so interesting
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:was that if you don't believe that
human life was created by God or in
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:his image, then your explanation.
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:for the purpose of life or the
beginning of life changes dramatically.
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:And if we all evolved and if we all
evolved from the same matter or material
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:as animals or any other living organism,
well then we have something in common
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:with them and we are no better than them.
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:So that is the new thing that is
out now that I've heard is being
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:called a Speciesist or Speciesism
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:a speciesist is somebody who believes
that human life is superior to the life of
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:any other life, even the life of animals.
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:Well PETA, which is the acronym
for the People's Ethical Treatment
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:of Animals, defines speciesism
as the human held belief that all
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:other animal species are inferior.
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:Speciesist thinking involves Considering
animals who have their own desires, needs,
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:and complex life as means to an human end.
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:And so, it was coined in 1970 by Richard
Ryder in a privately published pamphlet.
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:And then that idea was carried
on from Peter Singer and
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:popularized in Animal Liberation.
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:So the main idea there is because
we've all evolved and we're
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:really all the same matter.
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:We shouldn't think of ourselves people
as more Highly evolved or more special
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:than animals or other living organisms.
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:So when you think about that, you
see the implication of that kind of
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:thinking that a baby isn't really
how we regard a baby, a preborn
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:baby, or a person that's infirmed.
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:What happens is we start thinking
of how we can constantly invoke
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:ourselves into the evolutionary
process that they believe.
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:taking place and constantly improving it.
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:And so we get this whole new arena
or area of bioethics and biogenetics.
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:But before we get back to
that once I was looking up
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:the leading cause of death in babies.
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:And they don't even mention abortion
because it's so vastly higher number than
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:any other cause of death in an infant that
they, they just don't even include it.
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:So that being interesting, somebody
actually did make an attempt to do
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:some research and include that and
was obviously completely Prevented
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:from getting that information out.
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:But we should say along those lines
that abortion is really under recorded.
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higher than the numbers that we have.
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along that lines, it's become pandemic.
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about 25 years in China.
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:China boasts having aborted close
to 400 million children, babies.
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in the United States, but a global
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they're not necessarily going to agree
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a completely different worldview.
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that people understand that.
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:Tom: I'd be glad to comment on what you
were saying there especially at the start.
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that disagree with us.
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to go come from the perspective
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just say, we're trying to impose
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:our religion on other people and and
make religion an opponent of science.
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science, but the science really
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:A child at the moment of conception
has his or her whole genetic code.
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:Scott Klusendorf, who's the head of
the Life Training Institute, has an
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to describe the difference, the, the
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:fact that really there's no difference
between an unborn child and a born
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:worthy life.
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:And SLED is Size, Level of Development,
Environment, and Degree of Dependency.
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:And he says, you know,
your size doesn't matter.
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than a born child, or a child
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:But that doesn't make that
person the size of a person.
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:Doesn't determine whether he or she is
worthy of protection and the level of
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:development, yes, but a five year old
isn't as developed as a 25 year old.
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the five year old's life is not worth
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:Does it make a difference if a child
is in the environment of his mother's
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:womb as opposed to Maybe several minutes
later, being outside his mother's
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:womb, does that mean that he or she
is unworthy of life and protection?
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:In degree of dependency
I can see in the future.
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:I am going to be, could be
really dependent on other
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:people to continue in my life.
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:A newborn child for months is, and
with years really, is so dependent
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:on his or her mother and father
and to, for almost everything.
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with debilitating diseases.
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of our quality of life.
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have dignity in our life.
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:Steph: That's part one of this.
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:Very stimulating conversation.
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:And part two will be coming shortly.
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:In case this episode has brought about.
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:Feelings of regret or remorse.
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:For any acts in your past.
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:I
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:Steph: want to remind you
of what God's word says.
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:If we confess our sins, he is faithful
and righteous to forgive us our sins.
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all unrighteousness.
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:That's fun in first, John one nine.
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:As Betsy says in interested, why
carry something around with you every
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:Is his sacrifice or forgiveness
too small for your sin?
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:Betsy will touch on this in
part two, a little bit more.
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:Whatever our regrets are in life.
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:The Lord.
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:Is bigger than it all.
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Thank you for listening.
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:And keep caring for those
image bearers in your home.
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:We know how hard you work.
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:And the Lord certainly does too.
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:We know you're busy, Mama, so
we are truly grateful you joined
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:world, and we want it for you, too.
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:Before you go, I want to pray
this benediction over you
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:from 2 Thessalonians 1, 11 12.
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:We're rooting for you.
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:To this end, we always pray for you,
that our God may make you worthy of His
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:calling, and may fulfill every resolve
for good, and every work of faith by
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:His power, so that the name of our Lord
Jesus may be glorified in you, and you in
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:Him, according to the grace of our God.
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:And the Lord Jesus Christ.
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:Amen.
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:Until we meet again.